Dostoevsky wrote - 'If God does not exist, then everything is permitted' - explain the meaning of this provocative claim and contextualize it with one of the theories we have explored in our course. In closing, I want to clearly say that such concerns as those raised by Christian Smith dont prove that there is a God, let alone that the claims of the Restoration are true. Is atheistic naturalism capable of supplying a foundation for morality? A 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Why or why not? A more modest goodness may or may not suffice for functional human societies and a happy life, but unless these atheist moralists have so far missed a big reason yet to be unveiled that is all it seems atheism can rationally support.15. The arguments advanced by atheistic moralists for such things, Smith contends, arent even remotely persuasive: They may convince people who, for other (good or bad) reasons, already want to believe in inclusive moral universalism without thinking too hard about it. If you love God, you can do whatever you want, because when you do something evil, this is in itself a proof that you do not really love God. One should bear in mind that the parable of the Grand Inquisitor is part of a larger argumentative context which begins with Ivan's evocation of God's cruelty and indifference towards human suffering, referring to the lines from the book of Job (9.22-24): "He destroys the guiltless and the wicked. The public interest in high-quality medical care would certainly not be served were all medical students to cheat their way to graduation. Whether the statement accurately represents Karamazovs actual viewpoint, of course, let alone Dostoevskys, is a separate question. Lets look briefly at these two issues. If Professor Radisson is right, then all of thisall of our struggle, all of our debate, whatever we decide hereis meaningless. It is very sharp, and it certainly does divide. Rather, they perceive themselves as instruments of historical progress, of a necessity which pushes humanity towards the "higher" stage of Communism - and it is this reference to their own Absolute (and to their privileged relationship to it) which permits them to do whatever they want. "For some people, for instance, believing that there is no God can lead to despair. Professor Smith has won numerous professional prizes and honors, among them a Distinguished Career Award from the American Sociological Association. "If God does not exist, everything is permitted." by Fyodor Dostoyevsky is a popular phrase used by theists, theologians and conservatives when questioned about the connection between faith in God and morality. Zosima, who is on his deathbed, tells how he found his faith in his rebellious youth, in the middle of a duel, and decided to become a monk. Now let me hasten to add that this correlation does not establish causation. Dostoevsky once wrote: "If God did not exist, everything would be permitted"; and that, for existentialism, is the starting point. In fact I suspect it is largely the reverse: the more prosperous, democratic, educated, egalitarian, and peaceful a society becomes, the more it moves away from theism. Objective moral values do exist 3. When the job had been completely finished, then the earth, which is their mother, sent them up. They should hope that the masses of humanity remain nave conformists. Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist, and man is in consequence forlorn, for he cannot find anything to depend upon either within or outside himself. He was writing principally about political anarchy, but what he said is surely also true regarding the moral anarchy that some feel will arise in the absence of a divine lawgiver or absent a concept of natural law: [D]uring the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.28, To this war of every man against every man, this also is consequent; that nothing can be unjust. "If God does not exist, everything is permitted". First, the possible origins of morality, and second, the documented consequences of nonbelief. The implicit claim that "If there is no God, then everything is permitted" is thus much more ambiguous - it is well worth to take a closer look at this part of The Brothers Karamazov, and in particular the long conversation in Book Five between Ivan and Alyosha. They are simply the givens of physics and mathematics, elemental facts of natural reality lacking inherent meaning or purpose or normativity. Is Ortega just a petulant snob, or is he on to something? So let us consider the position of a reasonable skeptic whose starting point is something like this: I can see why, even without God, and understanding moral norms to be mere human inventions, I should be motivated to behave ethically and be good to the people around me who could affect my well-being. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. Demonstrate that a good life does not require God. From the viewpoint of evolutionary psychology, there is a case to be made for moral codes having developed, in part, as a matter of reproductive success. For those who are waiting with the how about Stalin question, the real issue there is totalitarianism, not secularity. Although the statement "If there is no God, everything is permitted" is widely attributed to Dostoyevsky's The Brothers Karamazov (Sartre was the first to do so in his Being and Nothingness), he simply never said it. Sartre claims that people are responsible for their passions. [10] One day, when the conversation turned to certain occasionally frustrating aspects of life in Egypt (e.g., traffic, and traffic signals that were taken as unsolicited and mostly unheeded advice rather than as commands), the husband, who was an engineer, hastened to assure me that, compared to the west African city in which he had previously resided, Cairo was a virtual utopia. Many kinds of animals, for example, pair off as mates, and some of them then share the responsibility, at least for a while, of feeding and caring for and protecting their offspring. He is Absolute being who freely speaks derivative beings into existence. - a benevolent vulgarity, changing Lacan's provocative reversal into a modest assurance that even we, godless atheists, respect some ethical limits. Hence the god commands the rulers first and foremost to be of nothing such good guardians and to keep over nothing so careful a watch as the children, seeing which of these metals is mixed in their souls. Indeed, they fight and kill silverbacks of other troops, and nothing in nature suggests that, in doing so, theyre being immoral. (Adolf Hitlers quest for Lebensraum, for greater space into which the Aryans or the Germanic peoples could expand via continual warfare, and his belief that other races should be either subjugated or altogether exterminated, seen from this vantage point, fits right in. A common argument, perhaps, but one that ignores much of world history. It has not. Does her heart go out to abandoned bunnies and fawns? For him the death of God meant cessation of belief in God, and hence meant that man is free to be master of his own destiny (The Joyful Wisdom, 1882). If God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist 2. What if she has solid reasons to believe that her personal well-being will be enhanced and her happiness uninjured (if not actually increased) by violating one or more social rules? The flat dishonesty that is advocated, and the seeming aroma of what we moderns might term fascism, is difficult to miss in the lines above and, for that matter, in the hypothetical picture of atheist moralists seeking, for the good of society, to prevent moral enlightenment among the masses. Such a demonization had a precise strategic function: it justified the Nazis to do whatever they wanted, since against such an enemy, everything is permitted, because we live in a permanent state of emergency. And would it make any moral difference if, instead of honors students, these were criminals being transported from one prison to another? Without faith in a god that lays down the rules, their argument goes, we are lost in a moral desert. As Smith puts it, [Page xiii]I think that atheists are rationally justified in being morally good, if that means a modest goodness focused primarily on people who might affect them and with a view to practical consequences in terms of enlightened self-interest. Good, however, has no good reason to involve universal moral obligations. Thus, tendencies toward in-group cooperation would undergo genetic selection, becoming more prevalent in the population. First, regarding individuals. When asked to give ethical guidance to his student, Sartre told him that he must live up to his filial duty and take care of his mother. His god, to the extent that he actually had one, was Nature.14). If God does not exist everything is permitted: A non-sequitur Following Dostoevsky it is a common thought that if God does not exist then everything is permitted. We came about by accident, and we are born and we die, and that's it. If Professor Radisson is right, then all of thisall of our struggle, all of our debate, whatever we decide hereis meaningless. False Clearly, as I also mentioned earlier, Smiths answer is No. Im hoping that at least some of you will take a look at it yourselves, because I think that it has much to offer. True . You may, however, have noted Smiths acknowledgment above, a very quiet one but (as well soon see) one that is made more explicit elsewhere, that naturalism is actually capable of grounding some moral standards or, perhaps better, moral standards of a certain kind or range. After all, the authority of the Great and Terrible Oz didnt last very long after his subjects discovered that he was really just a carnival magician and conman named Oscar, from Omaha, Nebraska. In truth everything has never been permitted, and this applies both to those who believe in such a god and to those who dont. Given the distinction between (A) having reason to think a certain proposition is true, and (B) having reason to induce belief in that proposition, taking steps to generate belief in a certain proposition may be the rational thing to do, even if that proposition lacks sufficient evidential support. If God doesnt exist, everything is permitted. (I, myself, am inclined to that point of view.). Atheists who wish to promote being good without God, if they are intellectually honest, need to scale back their ambitions and propose something more defensible, forthright, and realistic than most of these moralists seem to want. From today's experience, however, one should rather stick to Steven Weinberg's claim: while, without religion, good people would have been doing good things and bad people bad things, only religion can make good people do bad things. That is a separate question, to which more than a few theists have answered No. It is the purpose of this note to reveal a deep and important non-sequitur at the heart of this thought. For Stenger, this theoretical possibility was evidence that God isn't needed for Creation. All research and opinions provided on this site are the sole responsibility of their respective authors, and should not be interpreted as the opinions of the Board, nor as official statements of Latter-day Saint doctrine, belief or practice. Its not difficult to imagine cases where public and private interests or priorities would be out of alignment. In Sartre's view, the fact that God does not exist is cause for celebration. However, a relatively new book by a very prominent student of religion and society suggests otherwise. So, its both my pleasure and, yes, my duty to express my gratitude and appreciation to the authors, reviewers, designers, source checkers, copy editors, and others who have created this volume of Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship, as well as all of its 48 older siblings. This is a very distressing idea. If you are truly free, not even God would have the ability to predict what choices you could make. Since everything can't be permitted, God must exist. If his negative answer to the second question is true, will societies and cultures in which that answer becomes widely accepted be able to sustain a committed belief in human rights and universal benevolence over the long term? You could argue that morality is a social behavior that helps ensure the collective survival of a species and is not necessarily spiritually linked. The only reason we must follow the moral law is because someone (God) says that we must. The basic idea is that if God knows what you are going to do in the future, that means your future is determined, which removes any possibility of free will. And there it is. Your information is being handled in accordance with the. If God does not exist, everything is permitted. Sartre agrees with Dostoevsky that if God does not exist, then everything is permitted. Smith is unpersuaded that, in an atheistic, naturalistic world, there would be rational grounds for opposing these and similar policy suggestions. Such tendencies were subsequently augmented by countless varieties of tradition, small and large, religious and secular. Abstract: Can people be good without believing in God? It is quite another to demand that every person is morally obliged to advance the well-being of every other human on earth. Indeed, everything is permissible if God does not exist, and man is consequently abandoned, for he cannot find anything to rely onneither within nor without. Here's Ephesians 1:11: "In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.". Cooperation of course. But convincing people who are already or mostly convinced is not the challenge. In recent years, however, atheists seeking to rebut the theistic argument and others, as well have commonly denied that such a statement even occurs in The Brothers Karamazov. God's laws limit who we are and what we can do. And these traditions themselves continued a cultural evolution, with some practices expanding, others dropping out. All things are permitted then, they can do what they like?'". Some take this to be the core of modern nihilism. But it might easily be in the interest of an individual medical student, burdened with ever increasing debt and perhaps an ever-growing family, to find a short-cut, guaranteed way to his degree. Reality consists of various conglomerations of infinitesimally small particles pulled together by physical forces and processes of emergence that are in a continual state of flux. Is atheistic naturalism capable of supplying a foundation for morality? Hence, there is nothing objective about the moral values. 2023 The Interpreter Foundation. There is no absolute right or wrong. Dostoevsky did mean to convey this, contrary to revisionist misinterpretations on the web such as Andrei I. Volkov's secular article which is an academic Ivory tower play on worlds. For Sartre, our God-given human nature cannot be altered in any way. Which is why most are opposed to legal abortion because of Christian convictions. The majority needs to be anaesthetized against their elementary sensitivity to another's suffering. Theists have used the statement to argue that the alternative to belief in God is moral nihilism. They will need to lower their standards to fit the premises and parameters that their atheistic universe actually provides. Failure to understand the scientific principles guiding the creation and development of the universe does not mean that a deity must exist to explain the natural world. As what he claims is a logical consequence, "everything is lawful." Scene of hell Unknown authorship "If God does not exist, then everything is permitted." This was the famous affirmation made by the character Ivan Karamzov in the novel The Brothers . spanish 3: fiesta fatal chap 6-10 (spanish ?s), Pertussis (Whooping cough), Empyema, Metastic, The Language of Composition: Reading, Writing, Rhetoric, Lawrence Scanlon, Renee H. Shea, Robin Dissin Aufses, John Lund, Paul S. Vickery, P. Scott Corbett, Todd Pfannestiel, Volker Janssen, Byron Almen, Dorothy Payne, Stefan Kostka, Eric Hinderaker, James A. Henretta, Rebecca Edwards, Robert O. Self. But if God does not exist, as Dostoyevsky famously pointed out, "If God does not exist, then everything is permissible." And not only permissible, but pointless. There are, of course, cases of pathological atheists who are able to commit mass murder just for pleasure, just for the sake of it, but they are rare exceptions. Most people today are spontaneously moral: the idea of torturing or killing another human being is deeply traumatic for them. Instead of answering the Inquisitor, Christ, who has been silent throughout, kisses him on his lips; shocked, the Inquisitor releases Christ but tells him never to return Alyosha responds to the tale by repeating Christ's gesture: he also gives Ivan a soft kiss on the lips. First, if a thing is good simply because God says it is, then it seems that God could say anything was good and it would be. Because in reality, if there is no God, the consequences are huge.". But that's to be expected -- that's why there are so many different ethical theories. Recall the features of a naturalistic universe. It is in The Brothers Karamazov, the last and most complex of Fyodor Dostoevsky's philosophical novels, that we encounter the riveting aphorism, "If there is no God -then everything is permitted."With the twentieth century behind us, many would now contend that these words ascribed to Ivan Karamazov reveal a penetrating truth not to be dismissed. He regards it as highly unlikely. Zosima teaches that people must forgive others by acknowledging their own sins and guilt before others: no sin is isolated, so everyone is responsible for their neighbour's sins. I suspect not: if you believe in God (as I do), then the idea of God being bound by the laws of physics is nonsense, because God can do everything, even travel faster than light. If the scourge kills suddenly, He mocks the despair of the innocent. There's that oh so common theistic arrogance. Isolated extreme forms of sexuality among godless hedonists are immediately elevated into representative symbols of the depravity of the godless, while any questioning of, say, the link between the more pronounced phenomenon of clerical paedophilia and the Church as institution is rejected as anti-religious slander. In many religions God is also conceived as perfect and unfathomable by humans, as all-powerful and all-knowing (omnipotent and omniscient), and as the source and ultimate ground of . [Page xvi]But, again, what if our shrewd opportunist can escape punishment and evade damage to her reputation? Key Takeaways. Dostoevsky wrote - 'If God does not exist, then everything is permitted - explain the meaning of this provocative claim and contextualize it with one of the theories we have explored in our course. They can. Do you agree with his assertion that "the mass crushes everything different, everything outstanding, excellent, individual, select, and choice"? a. But the more important question, plainly, is whether its really true that if God doesnt exist, everything is permitted. Does atheism actually entail moral nihilism? But what about the Stalinist Communist mass killings? This kind of enlightened self-interest should produce societies of people who are morally good without God.18. Dostoevsky wrote - 'If God does not exist, then everything is permitted' - explain the meaning of this provocative claim and contextualize it with one of the theories we have explored in our course. In his frustration, he told me, he often wanted to get out of his car, jump on its hood, and explain loudly to them that, if the traffic going east-west would simply pause for a couple of minutes to allow north-south traffic to pass through the intersection, and if the north-south cars would just permit the east-west cars to have their own two minutes of uninterrupted transit, everybody would save both time and emotional health. Now, traffic rules are not moral laws. The Christian God is not a transcendent God of limitations, but the God of immanent love: God, after all, is love; he is present when there is love between his followers. One illustration that he gave me to support his claim has remained with me ever since. Bissage said. Since great public causes can no longer be mobilized as the basis of mass violence - in other words, since the hegemonic ideology enjoins us to enjoy life and to realize our truest selves - it is almost impossible for the majority of people to overcome their revulsion at the prospect of killing another human being. It's why ethicists get paid the big bucks. Daniel C. Peterson Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship 49 (2021): vii-xxiv Article Formats: Abstract: Can people be good without believing in God? Sartre believes that "we can abolish God with the least possible expense.". False. But is it in the individual interest of the people on the shore to risk their lives in order to save those honors students? Positive and negative electrical charges do not attract one another because that is right or just, they do so simply because that is simply how they work. Do you agree with this claim? Absent a grounding in the divine, so the argument goes, human moral systems are without foundation and, thus, are likely to crumble in the face of human self-interest, error, and corruption. Chapter 1, entitled Just How Good without God Are Atheists Justified in Being? contends that a modest and humble system of what we might call local morality if, I would add, the term morality is really appropriate in such a case can, in fact, be derived from a naturalistic worldview. (Smith sagely observes, by the way, that, for some atheistic moralists, society, with its sanctions, appears to have taken the place of a judging and punishing God.) Consider the small Paleolithic band of hunter/gatherers, the social structure in which homo sapiens evolved. Serious repeat criminals, if allowed to live, should be sterilized. Its the challenge posed by the sensible knave in David Humes 1751 Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals and, long before that, by Glaucons challenge to Socrates in the second book of Platos early-fourth-century BC Republic. He forthrightly declares that, yes, they can. This brings us, again, to Smiths question, which I cited earlier: If we in fact live in the naturalistic cosmos that atheists and much of science tell us we occupy, do we have good reasons for believing in universal benevolence and human rights as moral facts and imperatives?26. And what about different countries in the world? False. Christian Smith offers a short list of measures that might potentially be proposed they are not his proposals to improve society. If they are, we cant seem to find any evidence to that effect. The sociologist Phil Zuckerman, in his book Living the Secular Life (2014), has done the helpful job of summarizing the research literature. 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